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Jay, can't you reach out to Charlie Kirk at Turning Point USA?! Young, brilliant, techy, great guy, has huge grass roots ballot voter stuff going on all over country. CK@TPUSA.com. Very close to Trump, who does rallies & events for him, & loves him.

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I just e-mailed him this --

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Let us know if he responds. Dozens of us have reached out to him ,probably hundreds os regular people.

and Bongino, and Clay and Buck, and FOX. . and others. . . .

Crickets.

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I have reason to believe Kirk is probably already aware of this. Turning Point has their own focus & approach to their activities and have not wanted to involve themselves in other areas, such as election integrity. I have communicated with people high up in their Chase The Vote effort to try and get them to look at this already -- some months ago

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What about Catherine Engelbrecht and genius Greg[?] Phillips at Tru the Vote? She has a PLAN.

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Charlie has had to of seen this by now I don’t know how he couldn’t have. His efforts of getting new voters out to vote are very important because if it’s too big to rig they’re gonna have to cheat so badly it’s going. To look so obvious

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Jay is indirectly calling Charlie Kirk a grifter. Unless I’m reading it wrong and if so I apologize

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They have all been reached out to, by hundreds of us. . . .

Crickets

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So let me get this straight workers inside the U.S.P.S. are literally hand picking ballets and making sure a crazed leftist or ngo gets them?

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Yep. The undeliverable ballots collect at the USPS centers, then are bundled and held for pickup by the NGOs. The USPS employees and supervisors are in on it. There are whistleblowers who have described this. Jay has discussed it in some previous posts.

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Has anyone seen a policy statement from the USPS about how they handle undeliverable ballots?

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I suspect that USPS policy statement was next in line for being done, right after the one around 'going postal'.

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I've read that a post office in on this scam collects the ones with the undeliverable addresses puts them in a box to be shredded or trashed, but someone (crazed leftist or NGO person) comes to collect them before this happens and takes them away.

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That’s makes sense these people need to be made example of

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Somebody think oteewize?

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"We want to take you through a thought experiment."

Here is another one: the voting has started, where's the beef Jay?

Enough with the coming attractions. Direct us to tangible results - work on the graphics later- time is wasting.

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Exactly. Show us who these NGOs are so we can stop them from illegal ballet harvesting

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Yes!

The publicity of these organizations that have been able to operate out of public scrutiny will give the people involved a chilling heads up they may be held accountable - as they should be if true. The time to have done this was well before the home stretch of the election when it is more difficult to publicize. I emailed Jay in August urging him that the Dark Money information they had should be made public to start the predicate.

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Yes it can’t be that hard to figure out who these organizations are. Even if it’s 1000s it’s not hundreds of thousands. Start putting their names out all over X and remind them the punishment for election fraud. Its not late only 3 states have started voting the ballet runners will

Be doing their dirty work over the next 40 days

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Great suggestion.

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Agree…. Start POSTING their names so “ WE PATRIOTS can BOYCOTT them”!

And OUT THEM!!!

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We need to do more than boycott

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Like what JOHN, spell it out!!! Time is running out!!!

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Great idea, but what happens when the dog catches the car? Some of the NGOs that are mentioned in Jay's video have been exposed and discussed before. Ditto for the solid investigative work by Trevor Loudon on the CCP's United Front Work Department activities to influence election outcomes. I think the only way you break this open and have a chance at really disrupting the NGOs and their dark money pool networks is to have law enforcement raids on all their offices, with all computers, databases, etc confiscated for forensic analysis (including accessing any cloud databases they use) and the principal actors taken into custody. The evidence is quickly building to support the warrants. The next step has to be Federal grand juries and indictments, followed by convictions and long prison terms. The first (and biggest) hurdle is that the current DoJ is co-opted by the Democrat Party, so they will actively oppose such an effort (and actually provide cover for them). The court system is similarly compromised, so good luck getting an impartial hearing on that front. When Socialists/Communists take power, it's a one-way street as they immediately ramp up the installation of their apparatchiks (as they have been doing for many yrs already in the U.S.) and weaponize not only every arm of government as well as the media channels and activate their networks (foreign and domestic) to help fund their various ops in all domains. I recall an old line: "You can vote your way into Socialism, but you have to shoot your way out." Historically some combination of external interventions and events has always been required to throw off the tyranny of a Socialist/Communist regime once they are in power. If we are unsuccessful in voting our way out of this current predicament with all the decks stacked against us, then I expect we will spiral further into a Venezuela-like tyranny. I hope I am wrong on that expectation.

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Condor- thanks for this post and I agree with most of your surmises.

However, I have to believe that there is more at work here than just what we are discussing vis a vis the election fraud. I like to believe the the Good Lord didn't save President Trump from two assassination attempts just to have him lose this election and our Country.

We have know for years that that we can expect nothing but persecution from the Injustice Department so they were never an option.

On the other hand, there are some pretty amazing people on Team Trump including Elon and RFK, Jr. who have been down this road of corruption before.

I have to believe that they are aware of all the info that's been uncovered by JV and others and that they are doing something in the deep background.

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Sep 26·edited Sep 27

I had similar feelings right after the 2020 election, with many reports circulating of powerful actors behind the scenes who were "in charge" and out to turn things around. That turned out to be another psyop designed to keep the lid on any prospect of revolt by the citizenry until the Progressive Democrats had cemented their hold on power. If you read "The Deep Rig" by Patrick Byrne (highly recommended) you will get a good picture of the duplicity and betrayals happening behind the scenes in the WH and elsewhere that spelled doom for any chance of a recovery from the coup d'état that just happened. I hope you are right, but my gut tells me we are in for another re-run of the coup.

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Are you familiar with the work that's being done in Ohio by attorney Tom Renz and Dr. Jerome Corsi along with tech wizard Andrew Paquette?

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Yes, but only to a limited extent. I had been reading about the discovery of an algo in the voter database, but I had not seen an analysis of what the algos were capable of doing. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Definitely looking forward to more details on this investigation.

Btw, this reminds me of a point I had tried to raise long ago on other platforms, namely my view that the Progressive Democrat organized crime enterprise and vote theft machine is a "combined arms" operation that has attacked elections on multiple fronts with multiple methods. They are protecting against a single-point failure if they are blocked on any one particular attack vector. The Dems have a long track record of ballot stuffing and other schemes using their Party machine (see for example how they hijacked the 1960 Presidential election to install JFK). The arrival of COVID just before an election year, prompting massive adoption of mail-in ballots, was a coup in itself. That was no coincidence. The Dems have clearly learned how to manipulate the mail-in ballot system as well as many state legislatures and courts to obtain their desired result. Jay is on the right track in terms of the main avenue of attack by the Dems (which has proved successful, especially in 2020), but its not the only method they are trying to deploy (and with some help from foreign actors very likely, especially the CCP and its various military-political operators including the United Front Work Dept). If tomorrow someone waived a magic wand and made mail-in ballots illegal (as was done many yrs ago by many countries for obvious reasons), the Dem's organized crime machine would accelerate their attacks with other methods. This will not stop until the Democrat party is disestablished, dismembered, and its criminal actors in both the public and private sectors held to account for federal crimes, sedition, and treason in uncompromised courts. The closing act would be the dumping of the Progressive Democrat Party on the ash heap of history along with the NSDAP and Stalin's Soviet Communist Party (hopefully to be joined at some point by XI's CCP).

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This is where we are headed once they steal this final election sadly

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Haven't you looked at the visual on either Common Sense website? It shows every NGO and how much money they are getting from Soros.

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Haven't you watched the NGO tracking video? It names every one of them. It shows exactly how much money is being floated around.

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Michael- RIGHT THE HELL ON!!

I am sick and tired of being taunted and told that JV has all the answers that nobody else on the planet has. Yet every day it's the same story- he knows where all the bodies are buried (so to speak) yet NOTHING IS GOING TO BE DONE and Trump will lose the election.

I am starting to wonder- is this some kind of psy op to discourage Trump supporters??

This has been going on for YEARS. He says that he figured it out 3 years ago.

You mean to tell me that after all this work, after all the articles and interviews, JV is going to do what? Wait till next year??

THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF THIS CENTURY IS TAKING PLACE IN LESS THAN TWO MONTHS. TIME'S UP.

Show us some results. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.

Thank you.

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Thank you. The only way this happens is if USPS lower level workers are involved in the fraud. Who are they? I find it hard to believe some mail sorter making 25 dollars and hour is going to get involved in this

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I disagree…. The mail carriers & sorters are equally “ open to bribes & hush money “ so the theory they would NOT PARTICIPATE is not correct!

Everyone is BOUGHT, it’s just how much money they are “

Bought for”!

Unless they are a ANGEL or incredibly HONORABLE, and yes there are a “ FEW LEFT” out there!!

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BUT, you cannot discount the motivations of those USPS workers who are the "true believers" of the party ideology. Add significant money to that and you have a loyal foot soldier for the party. On the money question, look at the investigative reporting on how much the ballot mules were getting per ballot in the 2020 election coup. For a govt salaried worker that could be a significant bonus, but they may already have bought in on the party affiliation before that.

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Agreed

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Sep 28·edited Sep 28

NY Nanny, I'm still concerned that we're having these conversations on the wrong forum, Jay's forum is best for discussing Jay's tools and some of the success stories around the use of his tools. But, the discussions I'm seeing here, especially the ones you're involved in, are heavily slanted towards discussions that, I think, should be held on a site that is not associated with JV.

These are important conversations, discussed around the seeds that Jay plants, but they are bigger than just what Jay writes about. At a minimum, we should probably do something with these discussions... move them to a forum that will last longer than this one... develop the techniques deeper than we're capable of developing on Jay's site designed to talk about his solutions.

Anyway, maybe we should find or create a forum of our own... one that we can sort through, develop, and systematize all of the issues, techniques, tools, and methods needed to give us true integrity in our election processes across this great nation.

I'm concerned about the 2024 election... it looked like a perfect opportunity for the left to steal another election but I think there might be a good chance that Trump wins anyway. We may not get all of the down-ballot offices we might have gotten without the cheating... losing a few Senate seats and other state-wide offices like governors that we would otherwise have gotten... but we may eek out a win at the national level.

But, even if in the face of the left's clear intent to win at any cost or methods, we manage to get Trump elected the task of bringing integrity back to our elections will take longer... more than 2 years... likely longer than 4 years... maybe doable in 6 years... but most likely doable in 8 years. But... only if we organize for the long-term and only if we organize independent of players like JV.

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Dieter- Thanks for your thoughtful comments. They are exactly why people should continue to post their news and ideas about Stopping the Steal on this substack along with the main attraction which is the work that Jay is doing.

This forum has brought out a number of people who share our concerns that the election will be stolen. I have gotten some good connections offline as well as other info that I am sharing here.

Communication is key in this kind of information war. I hope that you're right, that Trump will win anyway. I truly believe that if there was no cheating he would win in a landslide.

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OK then... I'll check it out but I'm a bit fuzzy about how that explains why were discussing these things here; everything we're discussing here should be pushed to that forum.

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I mentioned the FEC filing as an FYI- it is not a social media site! It's a government site.

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That movement is associated with Roger Stone and I just don't see how that even comes close to addressing the methodological issues and the sharing of them that I discussed above.

I suspect it's time to end this particular discussion thread.

Have a great weekend.

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I wish Jay would just reveal the NGOs instead of going around on X basically trolling people telling them PA is screwed and nothing can be done

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John,

Why don’t you contact Jay as ask him this question, instead of the “ bashing “ communicate with him and maybe join him in “ STOPPING THE STEAL”, UNITED WE STAND for a FAIR & JUST ELECTION IN 2024!!!

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Maggie- I don't know how long you've been following Jay but there are many of us on these boards that have been reading about his work for quite some time.

As Jay himself mentioned in one of his recent posts, he's had this tech for over 3 years.

Many conservative media outlets have featured him in a very positive light; in fact I don't know anyone of substance who has openly challenged his program and said it's no good or doesn't work.

So he seems to have a lot of answers but somehow nothing's been done and we are literally at the 11th hour watching the Titanic get hit by the iceberg.

On top of that, now he's talking about 2025 and the FUTURE. WTH??

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You said this is not actionable. Then what’s the point? I applaud your efforts, but can nothing tangible be done?

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Sep 25·edited Sep 25

“Winner with a 25,000 ballot margin. 45,000 provably ineligible ballots in the mix!

What happens next?

Next post will chat about that possibility - which is more likely to happen than not!“

Yes, this is what I’m interested in hearing. I’m thinking I may have mistaken Jay’s negativity and complaining for him thinking there is nothing that can be done to stop the cheating.

He talks about the incompetence of the campaign and RNC, for example, and how 2024 is pretty much guaranteed to be stolen. I think I mistook this for him losing hope.

I’m starting to think he believes it IS going to be stolen (with Kamala receiving more votes due to ballots from ineligible addresses), but is hoping the data and evidence collected from this project can be used to challenge the steal and hopefully turn it back in Trump’s favor.

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Yes I believe and hope you’re barking up the right tree. With all the eyeballs on the steal in real time hopefully it’s enough to correct the fraud? The problem is finding a job that isn’t corrupted

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I don't know if I would call it negativity. Jay seems pretty damn confident that his tech works and he sure presents it like that.

He has never expressed any doubts that it will work and apparently he used it successfully in Wisconsin in Ron Johnson's campaign.

Not only that, but why re-invent the wheel? There are many other people out there and serious groups working to stop the steal. You mean JV can't collaborate with any of them??

I am the first one to say that the RNC/GOP is totally FU, but I have always thought the idea was to go around them. As far as I know the RNC and even Team Trump are not working with outside groups.

I had hoped that with Elon Musk onboard, all of this tech stuff would be taken care of!!

Elon is a genius- you mean to tell me that he hasn't figured this out yet??

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FYI- Catherine Engelbrecht and True the Vote are totally legit. It is despicable to imply they are grifters.

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Agree…. Anyone calling Catherine E & TRUE THE VOTE GRIFTERS are obviously DEMOCRATS or TROLLS, DUH!!

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Why no publicity about their efforts to publicize "Dark Money Connections"? Potentially this could shine a light on what needed to be exposed as they were uncovering it. The tracing of public records with a new technology that allows the tracing of money from foreign entities to organizations that may not even know the source but who are engaged in efforts that could create an advantage for the foreign entity.

This is not necessarily confined to voting & elections. As an example, I noticed in one of the videos that an environmental group against mining in our country was receiving funding. Impeding our efforts to have American sources of key elements creates a liability and weakness that can be exploited.

Be it the elite capture of our politicians, business community, health care institutions or academia, American interests are being betrayed for chump change when compared to the impact it is having on our country.

Publicizing these potentially treasonous relationships should anger all American Citizens.

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Warning of what’s to come absolutely horrible what our FBI has done to this man

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/arm-yourself-persecuted-former-fbi-specialist-urges-americans-stock-food-and-prepare

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Anyone that listens to mark Levin on his radio show in Philadelphia he will be removed from the air 30 days prior to the election for good. Soros has purchased his station from the FCC. Another voice silenced right before the election like Steve Bannons

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OMG- are you sure about this? Has Mark discussed it on one of his shows? He is here in NY on 77WABC am radio.

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100% sure. he will be off the radio air 30 days prior to the election but he won’t be silenced. He’s gonna have podcasts and other avenues. The deep state is trying to silence him right before the election just like they did with Steve Bannon

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Less than 70 people contrubuting to this chat line. Thats all?

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I mean there’s a couple things limiting participation. This substack is behind a paywall for one. There also isn’t a way to tell on the website how much money has been raised, so people spreading the word about the CSE website have no idea if they’re making an impact or not.

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Condor: ok -deep legal trouble - Bad choice of words…… get hassled maybe …

And I don’t think even some dumb ass illegal immigrant is gonna wanna get any attention… Not after everything they’ve done to get here…… and I also don’t think an NGO wants any legal attention from coordinating and accumulating a lot of ghost voters that are not initially attached to the fake addresses……. Look , this goddamn election is going to be razor thin, so anything we can do in the seven swing states will help.

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I live in NY not far from a small "sanctuary" city that is now populated by a majority of Ecuadorians and Dominicans. Of course the city is run by corrupt Dems and has been for awhile.

From what I see, even the legal immigrants don't register to vote and try to keep a low profile.

Check out the latest stats on the Bogus Ballots page where Jay detailed all the numbers.

The fraud is so much bigger than anyone had imagined.

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Look slowly he deep state is taking out Adams. Did he speak out to much against the illegal invasion?

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STOP the Presses- Marc Elias and the Deep State are working feverishly to stop the work that's being done to ID the bogus ballots. Great explanation of what's going on from Sundance at Conservative Tree House:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/09/25/battleground-pennsylvania-elias-and-crew-counter-defective-fradulent-ballot-issues-in-pa-with-court-ordered-provisional-ballots/

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also IMO if the RNC dont follow up on this type of thing then they are in on it, the evidence presented by JV and fractal is compelling and should not be ignored, furthermore the fact that Elias is involved tells me the info presented by fractal is legitimate and is striking a nerve in the election theft cartel's operations

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IMO, RNC lawyers had better be all over this, dont know what the laws in PA are concerning provisional voting but in Texas the "voter" if he exists must show up in person, file an affidavit and his identity must be confirmed, therefore a chain of custody is created, poll watchers need to confirm whether or not this happens and not let corrupt election workers "vote" the provisional ballot.

Jay and the fractal team have exposed this scam- its up to RNC lawyers and poll watchers to follow up

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Phil- same situation in NY regarding provisional ballots. If you come to vote and the poll worker can't find your name on the list of registered voters, you get to cast a vote but the ballot is not counted until it's verified that the person is a legitimate registered voter.

In my experience that's now the cheating occurs- too much verification is required.

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I don’t see how they’re going to steal it in real time again with so many peoples eyes on it this year. If they do I think it’s going to push for civil unrest

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I wish I could share your thinking.

Remember, these people have to win. Losing is not an option, and we have already seen things like multiple assassination attempts as evidence.

The media is already laying the groundwork for approaches that may be used, just like they did in 2020.

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Michael- agree. The arrogance and brute force shown by the Deep State to stop Trump is astounding. The mere fact that they put up these two imbeciles in the first place shows the contempt they have for the American people/ voters.

Jay is right on about how they're going to work it- he lays it out better than anyone else out there. But like you and others are saying- it's time to ACT.

It is just too frustrating to come here day after day and read yet another article about how the Demo-Commies are going to steal the election yet nothing will be done about it by the person who has all the answers.,

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I do think they’re getting very scared because Trump is way ahead of Kamala in the real polls. If they can’t steal enough votes to win they’re gonna have to do something else to keep him from getting back in power. You can tell they’re scared why is Kamala begging for another debate? Why is she suddenly going to the border? Why is msnbc still in full panic mode over the new Georgia counting rules? The amount of fraud they’re gonna have to pull off to steal this election is going to have to be historic

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I agree Michael I don’t disagree with you at all. I don’t see them “ letting “ Trump win regardless of this election. If they don’t kill him I can see them simply not certifying it and the weak Republicans going along with it. Literally daring the people to do something about it.

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BINGO. Control by Socialists/Communists is a one-way street. For the Progressive Democrats, "bipartisanship" is a game played with useful idiots. And there are plenty of those in the GOP to maintain a veneer of "democratic government" with separation of powers.

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They already did it in 2020, and combined with the observed compliance with the illegal and devastating COVID lockdowns plus their control in the govt and private sectors they have likely concluded the citizenry aren't going to do sh!t when it happens again. We are in a massive long-running psyop, and until Americans reach the point where they conclude that they stand to lose a lot more by doing nothing than by doing something, we will continue a descent into a version of Soviet society.

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That’s correct sadly as bad as we have it most people still have it too good to really get involved enough to actually do something. As long people can still watch football waste away on their phone and put a roof over their heads it’s not bad enough for them yet. Not enough people are willing to become the next Jan 6 victims. Most conservatives have to much to lose. This is the biggest problem

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In my experience the biggest voting bloc is always the people who don't vote!

And then they go on social media and complain when their taxes go up.

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The DemonRats don’t care. They have the power including the media.

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"I don’t see how they’re going to steal it in real time again with so many peoples eyes on it this year."

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If the Dems have people that collect free range ballots... in secret, take those same ballots to multiple processing centers... in secret, mark the ballots for their candidate and sign them... in secret, and then had mules take the ballots to polling place well, in the open but... in secret... if they do that how, exactly, would anyone be able to detect them cheating?

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Dieter- here's an interesting technical paper on some more potential cheating:

https://godsfivestones.com/how-intelligence-agencies-run-our-elections/

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That article was interesting. Identifying a method of cheating... identifying where they had embedded the cheat... what they haven't identified is the magnitude of the impact of the cheat and, with that, whether we we expend resources to contain that cheat.

There is the possibility of creating automated techniques to 'audit' databases like this and create real data around what they're doing... but, frankly, I'm not sure this is the issue with the most impactful cheat... maybe it is... I just don't know. Because... there are a lot of games that the left are playing in the election fraud space and, always being cognizant of analysis paralysis and getting sucked down the rabbit hole by chasing the last shiny object, I'd suggest filing this away as a 'possible cheat worth pursuing' and wait a little while we sort out this issue some more.

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Dieter- Andrew Paquette exposed this algorithm in our NYS voting rolls already and our state board of elections refused to act on it.

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Biden DOJ sues Alabana for removing noncitizens from voter rolls

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/bidens-gestapo-doj-sues-alabama-removing-noncitizens-voter/

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They’re trying to take Trumps plane down according to informants

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/report-informant-claims-trumps-plane-targeted-assassination-nine/

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